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culuyetille) wrote2006-05-16 10:46 pm
Of the propriety of slash
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*sighs* Why is it that someone just has to bitch about slash every once in a while? Oh yeah right, to stir a discussion. I must admit, though, that what's on the post she refers to, the "legal aspects", are at least a bit new in terms of complaints. Usually we just get the good ol' "ur eeebil!!!11one!! burn in hell for writing hotmensex u pervs". Speaking of which, our campaign to make hotmensex a LJ interest hasn't been very active lately... I've even made a few icons to try and expand the luff ;]
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Back to the matter at hand. The main points addressed on that post are:
a. Whether or not the celebrities portrayed in RPS consented to the use of their names and images, and how that should be addressed legally
b. What sort of measures were taken to restrict access to slash content in websites, and in particular here at LJ.
My thoughts, honestly, are first and foremost: "oh for heaven's sake, mind your own effing slash-less lives, will you."
Concerning a, I think if anyone were to say anything, it'd have to be Viggo, Sean, Orlando, Karl, Elijah, Dom, Billy, etc. I can't say they're not offended; just the same, the people concerned with their honour & public image can't say for sure that they are offended by slash fanfiction featuring their names, so there's really nothing to discuss there.
As for b. Several arguments arose on the comments following the post in question, making me think about a lot more than what was originally being discussed. Some were really fruitful, such as slash as a means of women protesting against being sexually repressed by society. It seems odd and out of context when thrown in a discussion, but when we consider that the vast majority of slash writers & readers are females (their sexual options not relevant), the observation becomes very expressive. ![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif){kind=small}
waenelin says,
Here on the LJ's - as far as i could see - gay pairings are described with explicit details, the synopsis being in most cases nothing but an excuse for depicting sexual scenes.
Why shouldn't we enjoy erotic material? Why should it be frowned upon? What's it to anyone if we enjoy producing/viewing artistic work involving a male gay couple? Sex is a very healthy and delicious part of being alive, not to be sanctioned. If we want to share our porn-ish artistic production with people who share the same interests, I believe that doesn't pertain to anyone else.
But we needn't even drift that far. Not all slash is PWP. A fair amount of it is dedicated to romantic involvement with all its angst and fluff, and there's of course the large portion of kink-inclined readers, writers and artists (more present in the Harry Potter fandom). It's sad prejudice to consider its very existence wrong. As if it were something we should be ashamed of enjoying! That's what sickens, saddens and worries me the most. Some claim to be "offended" by the very existence of slash, or that the celebrities portrayed may be hurt by it. What about, we get hurt being referred to as freaks whose likings offend "normal" people?
EDIT: which is why, as Caro mentioned bellow, I chose not to overlook this discussion yet again. It's not that I care about what other people think about slash, or those who like it. It's just that I am tired of being looked down at, and if I don't stand up for me, who will? If they're entitled to their own opinion, and to expressing it, they must be prepared to hear some biting back.
..in the end, these discussions always have slashers saying that we mean no harm and are just doing this for pure entertainment, while anti-slashers say it's still disrespectful to the portrayed people or the author, when it's FPS, and to the people who accidentally stumble upon it, etc, etc. *shrugs*
It often makes me look away. It's not a call for reasoning, it's more of a "what you do can't be accepted and you should be embarrassed and try to hide it as best as you possibly can." Self-censorship on our personal weblogs. I'm not for children's free access to everything, but I truly don't think there's a way around it, and frankly, I don't want to restrict myself in any way in my "personal space" - f-locking is just that. It falls to parents to handle their children's education, not to me. I have a Livejournal account to indulge in my hobbies, one very proeminent of which is slash. Pieces of fanart and fanfiction can have warnings and disclaimers, and that's about the closest to legal concern it'll get, because that's very very far from our primary objective here: having fun.
Plain and simple, We cannot control access any more than any other pornography source. If a person stumbles upon a slash-oriented website, they're very likely to find themselves looking at huge warnings that are very difficult to miss, of the likes of "This community deals with male/male themes, often with graphic descriptions. Please don't enter if you're under the age of consent". How hard can it be to hit the "back" button on one's browser?
Finally, after a few years, it even gets boring when someone criticizes slash and people start discussing the merits of both sides. Self-quoting on a conversation with a friend earlier today:
When a person writes and posts something like that, they're not trying to broaden their view of the world. They're bitching about what they don't like. And it's just that simple. We'll keep on thinking we have every right to enjoy slash as we find best, and they'll keep believing it isn't so. And, so I say we shrug and let them complain, we've got more pleasant things to busy ourselves with. If they really wanted to know anything about slash, they'd read some.
What's fundamentally wrong with these people? There's no slash in their colourless, dull little lives. ;] What's wrong with me? I let myself be annoyed.
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LOL, so true. I've been thinking along your lines of "jeez, this is the same kind of discussion we have in this community every half year" and didn't feel like commenting on the debate alltogether, because frankly all has been said before. But somehow this sentence of yours has reminded me that I probably shouldn't stay silent even if the anger and hurt I read in your and other people's post is something I don't feel (after having had this discussion so many times I guess I just am thick skinned or something). But staying silent could be viewed as silently supporting her pov and I certainly don't. "Freedom of speech" obviously isn't only a right but an obligation and I should be standing up and be proud and everything :). - Sorry for the rambling here, thinking out loud and probably not making much sense *g*.
Good to hear you're all right and the situation in Brasil seems to be under control.
And I love the hotmensex icon (you forgot to make one with naked Bean, though. Just saying ;)).
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Precisely, darling. I've been into slash for something like 6 years now so I've seen even too many discussions. Funny thing is, have you ever noticed that the smartest ones always seem to be on the pro-slash side? Really. The ones with the best arguments (unlike my disjointed ramblings above). It amuses me to no end. We could have a campaign, "Slash: all the smart kids are doing it" or some such. XDD
You're making a lot of sense. I'd grown insensitive to their ramblings, like, 'yeah, yeah, you're free to think whatever you like, I'm indeed the devil, BOO.' But sometimes... it just gets under my skin that my preferences are treated as some form of character flaw, that I should, at best, indulge in secretly, and then whip myself in shame. I want to be 'out and proud', at least around here on the internet, where I come nearly exclusively to have slashy fun. ..I'm not sure how I'd behave if someone were to confront me with it in RL, though. Very touchy issue. I guess I'd try to be true to myself, and wouldn't deny anything, but rather demand the respect that I deserve.
*curls up to think about it*
LOL, I'll make a Beanie icon, dear. *hugs*
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credit: image pilfered from Emi.
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